Despite children dying due to conversion therapy, despite businesses being allowed to discriminate against gay couples, despite people fighting to be free in their sexuality, there are still imbeciles who are so blinded by their privilege to believe that gay people are not discriminated against.
I was online last night, scrolling through SNL's Hillary Actually skit that they posted to YouTube. In it, they spoofed a scene from the movie "Love Actually" where Kate McKinnon as Hillary Clinton begged the electors to vote for anyone other than Donald Trump. As expected, the comments were filled with Trump supporters hating on SNL. I ignored most of these repeated arguments, all slandering SNL. However, there was one that deviated. A privileged man as fighting with another person in the comments (he was quoting the other person's argument showing how gay people were discriminated), his comment saying,
User Majin Yojimbo, it was late in the night when I responded to your comment, so I did not go into depth as much as I wanted. I tried to counter your arguments with the arguments you yourself made. and then you responded by calling me a "Pee Wee." How very mature of you. In response, I write to you here, and I write to the people reading this, to teach them how to properly deal with privilege in order to educate people like you, Majin.
Let me expand on what I told you first, a counter to your argument for using science to prove gay people are born gay. While you are somewhat correct in saying that gay people are not born gay, I am also correct in saying that straight people are not born straight. Paraphrasing an article from the Guardian, written by Dr Qazi Rahman of King's College, science can't tell what determines sexuality.
"Social constructionist accounts generate no hypotheses about sexual orientation and are not subject to systematic testing."
Your argument for an external environmental factor doesn't help your case either, especially since your theories have no way of being tested.
To end the argument on sexuality being something someone is born with versus and environmental factor, I leave you with this:
"Remember, sexual orientation is a pattern of desire, not of behavior or sexual acts per se. It is not a simple act of will or a performance. We fall in love with men or women because we have gay, straight, or bisexual orientations and not because of choice. So let’s stop pretending there is choice in sexual orientation."
Let me next counter your argument about the media/entertainment industry being "vastly" homosexual. I'm going to exclude the theatre/musical theatre industry and the porn industry because as far as I know, those are the only two entertainment industries in which gay people are extremely prominent. Prominent here is defined as there being more than one main gay character or gay actor in the entire production. Background characters are not included.
For the longest time, gay characters were not allowed to be seen in children's media. Having gay characters was considered making the show too adult for children. In adult cartoon media where gay characters were allowed, they were only there as the butts of many jokes and were not given a positive light. Gay characters are discriminated against in television and movies.
The first time a there was a lesbian kiss on TV was on August 23, 2014 with the Doctor Who episode "Deep Breath" and there was much backlash for it.
The first time there was a bisexual character in children's television was on Nickelodeon on December 19, 2014 in the last 30 seconds of the Legend of Korra series finale.
The first time Pixar had a gay couple was in Finding Dory (2016), and they were background characters.
The first time Disney had a gay couple was in the series finale of Gravity Falls(2016), and they were background characters.
Rebecca Sugar, creator of Steven Universe, wanted to make the characters Princess Bubblegum and Marceline the Vampire Queen from Adventure Time have a romantic interest in each other. Cartoon Network would not let the two characters be romantically involved until long after Sugar left to make Steven Universe. Even then, Cartoon Network didn't expand on it beyond implications that they were together.
Please notice that these things have happened in the past two years. Look at how small this list is and how powerful these names are: Disney, Pixar, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network. They don't want gay characters because they believe parents will complain that the characters teach their children how to be gay.
When these gay characters are presented with their sexualities, they (and their partner) are the only ones who are gay. In real life, gay people find each other and stick together; there are gay people who never interact with straight people outside of work because their friends fall under some color of the gay rainbow. The only television show that demonstrates this and is available to the public is Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Please, user Majin Yojimbo, tell me of another public television show--any public television show--which supports your statement of the entertainment industry being "vastly homosexual." You can even throw in movies! Keep in mind Brokeback Mountain doesn't count.
What the other user you quoted said about gay people having to repress themselves out of fear of being discriminated is true too, especially for children who live in strict households that hold the same views you do. Children are thrown out on the streets for merely liking someone of the same gender, let alone doing anything about it.
And now, onto your continuing argument you tried throwing at me, Majin Yojimbo, after I tried refuting your original statement in a concise manner without needing to be this detailed. You said,
""Straight people being born straight has yet to be scientifically proven too, if we're going there" If we're going there? Where? Pee Wee's Playhouse? Sexual reproduction is a necessity for life to continue. Asexuality is, if anything, a defect, as 'nature' never intends to kill itself. You're also still churning out [expletive] since the INDUSTRY is HEAVILY composed of gays and lesbians (not counting extras). In fact, there are MORE gays and lesbians in the entertainment industry than there are any other. And lastly, COME ON, certainly you can come up with something better than my own previous comment, Pee Wee. Also, you obviously know [expletive] about marketing and products."
He's quoting me in the beginning, if anyone's wondering.
Sexual reproduction may be necessary for life to continue, however, that does not mean that people want to sexually reproduce. You really need to realize that humans are not like other creatures on this planet. We do not need to fight predators to survive. There is (technically) enough food for everyone to live in abundance. The population is still growing.
It seems that you are an acephobe, which is very disappointing, since that means you will most likely never get the point of this or any other argument about sexuality. Asexuality is not wanting to have sex. People still have the ability to have sex; they don't become aroused by sexual encounters and do not desire sex. People who don't desire to sexually reproduce can still sexually reproduce. Gay people can still have sex with the opposite gender and make a child. As a human, how dare you call anyone a "defect." How dare. What's defective in this argument is your inability to see the other side because you are so blinded by your privilege. If the human race had to depend on you, then we definitely would not survive.
You keep stating that there are more gays and lesbians in the entertainment industry than in any other industry. Like a Drumpf supporter, you don't provide any facts or statistics for your information nor where you learned it. You just state it and expect me to believe it.
You mentioned nature. I don't know why you're putting quotation marks around it since no one in the thread mentioned it previously. If nature wanted to survive, then nature would kill us all. Humans as a species are killing nature through climate change and are doing nothing to stop it. Besides, if "nature" didn't want gay people to exist, then why do gay animals exist? Not every species has gay animals in it, but gay animals do exist!
The next time you try to come up with an insult and claim you know that I don't know certain things, make sure you don't claim that I, a student studying marketing, know nothing about marketing. I know more about what people want than you do.
For the people reading to learn how to take down privileged people, please use the following:
1. Counter their arguments with your arguments and support for your arguments. If your support is credible and directly contradicts theirs, then that's better.
2. Use words that they won't understand. If it sounds like you're talking down to them, then you're succeeding. Privileged people who don't acknowledge their privilege need to be brought down to the real world. If what you say sounds incredibly smart, make sure you're using the words the way they are intended. This is to prevent someone from the opposition calling you out on it. It also gives you more support because people tend to side with the person who knows more or appears to know more than the other person.
3. Don't use expletives. Just don't.
4. Use proper grammar.
If by the end of this the person arguing with you is angry and repeats the same statements they already made, then congratulations! You successfully argued with a privileged person and invalidated their entire argument. For people who want to use this list to debate, please do not use the second suggestion. Debates are healthy arguments and are made (for the most part) to give both sides of an argument under decent circumstances.
Anyone wanting to read the thread I pulled the two comments from is free to do so. However, be warned there is homophobia, Islamophobia, racism, and expletives.
